Bidrag til debat omkring deltagelsen i militær
intervention i Libyens borgerkrig
18.03.11 kl 12,50
Interventionspartier glæder sig over Saudiarabiens tilsagn om militær intervention i Libyen men tavshed om samme Saudiarabiens militære intervention imod den fredelige demokratibevægelse i Bahrain - for ikke at tale om Yemen.
- og stadig uden at partierne bag flyforbuddet vil acceptere flygtninge til Danmark iflg. VKO+A . (kilde Debatten d. 17.03.1) dvs atter en gentagelse af den gamle historie med afvisning og tvangsdeporterning af såvel politiske flygtninge som krigsflygtninge fra både Irak og Afghanistan;
- det er det hidtidige topmål på populistiske folketingspartiers kyniske hykleri, der i en situation med et valg mellem borgerkrigsvoldens pest og interventionskrigsvoldens kolera bare strør salt i vor allesammens i forvejen blødende hjerter ovenpå den kortvarige glæde over det mellemøstlige demokratiske forår, hvis overlevelse som ikkevoldelig folkelig bevægelse nu er vores eneste håb som vi fortsat må støtte udviklingen af – uanset illegitime politiske og økonomiske interessers modarbejde.
Mht. selve den militære intervention i Libyen, som nu er besluttet, så kan man positivt set og isoleret håbe på, at denne beslutning er "verdenssamfundet" alias vetomagterne i FNs sikkerhedsråds dybe erkendelse af, at deres passivitet overfor den Sri Lankanske regerings folkemord med tunge våben på forsvarsløse indesluttede civile borgerkrigsflygtende tamiler i titusindtal så sent som i 2008 i terrorkrigens navn var en katastrofe for menneskerettighederne og international ret.
Og folkemordet på Sri Lanka var samtidig en katastrofe for den uforståeligt tavse verdensopinion, som først i 90erne i kølvandet på den første Irakkrig tvang den første Bush til, når han nu havde sagt A og startet krigen, så også at sige B med et flyveforbud mod Saddam Husseins terrorbombning af flygtende kurdiske oprørere på bare fødder oppe i sneklædte bjerge samt shiamuslimer i deltaet.
Og jeg husker mine afghanske hazaravenners reaktion på Bush IIs militære intervention i Afghanistan efter terrorbomberne d.11.september 2001, hvor der døde knap 3000 når vesten havde forholdt sig ligegyldig og uvidende! da Taliban 100% dokumenteret i 1998-99 begik folkemord på ca. 10.000 etniske hazaraer og shiamuslimer i byen Mazar-sharif. - I 1999 ville de sikkert have ønsket sig samme reaktion fra verdenssamfundet, som den der nu er på vej til støtte fra de libyske oprørere også i borgerkrig.
Men nu erindrer jeg også hvordan håbet slukkes i øjnene på en herboende asylmodtager da han – i modsætning til et par flygtningekammerater tidligere – lige akkurat ikke nåede at få den daværende (men nu af DF forlængst ophævede) §7.4 - opholdstilladelse til sine forældreløse mindreårige søskende, fordi nu havde USA og Danmark interveneret militært i Afghanistan for at fange Osama Bin Laden og tilintetgøre Al-Qaeda og deres Taliban-beskyttere. Og så ville der jo ikke længere være nogen fare for mindreårige foældreløse børn i Afghanistan!
I håb om en erfaringsbaseret konstruktiv debat med fokus på ikkevoldelige konflikløsningsmuligheder og afskaffelsen af verdens økonomiske og politiske magthaveres strukturelle vold med sigte på en fremtidig ikkevoldelig bæredygtig verden for alle menneskers trivsel.
Arne Hansen, medlem af Aldrig Mere Krig, Et anstændigt Danmark mm.
16.03. - 17.03.11:
Nu 8. nyere indlæg i relation til Libyen og demokratioprørene
i Mellemøsten, som bør læses i sammenhæng:
NB alle fra før FNs beslutning
om flyveforbud mv.
Dels hhv. nej og ja til intervention fra FN i Libyen og EL's 3.vej
med stingermissiler til oprørerne
– vedr. Bahrain
med Saudiske tropper og vold mod fredelig
demo på Perlepladsen, (samt nedkæmpelse i Yemen).
- Og et sjældent indlæg om
vores medansvar for flygtningene
– og d.
17.03.10 et nej til militær intervention - bl.a. med henvisning til lukkede øjne mht. Bahrain,
– og nej fra
tidl. Congolesisk flygtning ud fra
egne erfaringer
D.
15-03-2011 20:27 fra Joanne Landy-Campaign for Peace & Democracy <cpd@
igc.org>
On March
8, the Labor Party
of Pakistan issued a statement on Libya with which CPD is in broad agreement.
Though the situation has deteriorated
since it was written, the statement will be of interest to our readers:
Support the Libyan people! No
imperialist intervention in Libya!
Labour Party Pakistan statement on
Libya
March 8,
2011 -- The shock waves of the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions continue to
spread throughout the Arab world and beyond. For several days, it has been
Libya which is at the centre of the revolutionary upheaval. Events are evolving
from day to day, from hour to hour, but everything depends today on the
extraordinary mobilisation of the Libyan people.
Hundreds of
thousands of Libyans have risen up to attack the dictatorship of Gaddafi, often
with their bare hands. Whole cities and regions have fallen into to the hands
of the insurgent people. The answer of the dictatorship has been ruthless:
pitiless repression, massacres, bombardment of populations with heavy arms and air
strikes.
Today, it
is a fight to the death between the people and the dictatorship. One of the
characteristics of the Libyan revolution, compared to the Tunisian and Egyptian
revolutions, is the splintering of the police and military apparatuses. There
are confrontations within the army itself, a territorial division, with
confrontation between regions and cities controlled by the insurgents and the
area of Tripoli based on the military force of the dictatorship. The Libyan
dictatorship represents too many social and democratic injustices and, too much
repression, too many attacks on elementary liberties and rights. It must be
driven out.
The Libyan
revolution is part of a whole process which covers the whole Arab world, and
beyond, in Iran and China. The revolutionary processes in Tunisia and Egypt are
radicalising. In Tunisia, governments fall one after
the other. Youth and the workers’ movement are pushing their movement still
further. All the forms of continuity with the old regime are called into
question. The demand for a constituent assembly, opposed to all the rescue
operations of the regime, is becoming increasingly strong.
In both
countries, Tunisia and Egypt, the workers’ movement is reorganising
itself in the fire of a wave of strikes for the satisfaction of vital social
demands. This revolutionary rise takes forms that are particular and unequal,
according to the countries: violent confrontations in Yemen and Bahrain,
demonstrations in Jordan, Morocco and Algeria. Iran is also once again affected
by an outbreak of struggles and demonstrations against the regime of Ahmadinejad and for democracy.
It is in
this context that the situation in Libya takes on strategic importance. This
new rise already carries within it historical changes,
but its development may depend on the battle of Libya. If Gaddafi takes control
of the situation again, with thousands of deaths, the process will be slowed
down, contained or even blocked. If Gaddafi is overthrown, the whole movement
will as a result be stimulated and amplified. For this reason, all the ruling
classes, all the governments, all the reactionary regimes of the Arab world are
more or less supporting the Libyan dictatorship.
It is also in
this context that US imperialism, the European Union and NATO are multiplying
operations to try to control the process that is underway. The revolutions that
are in progress weaken, over and above what the imperialists say in their
speeches, the positions of the Western imperialist powers. So, as is often the
case, imperialism uses the pretext of a “situation of chaos”, as it calls it,
or of “humanitarian catastrophe” to prepare an intervention and to take control
of the situation again. We are totally against any military or other
interventions by the Imperialist forces in Libya.
No one
should be fooled about the aims of the NATO powers: they want to confiscate the
revolutions in progress from the peoples of the region, and even to take
advantage of the situation to occupy new positions, in particular concerning
control of the oil regions. It is for this fundamental reason that it is
necessary to reject any military intervention by American imperialism. It is up
to the Libyan people, who have begun the job, to finish it, with the support of
the peoples of the region, and all progressive forces on the international
level must contribute to that by their solidarity and their support.
There is a
lot of confusion among the activists in Pakistan on the question of Libya.
Gaddafi was seen as one of the progressive leaders of the Arab world and who
was opposed to US imperialism. He had many followers in Pakistan. One of them
was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, father of Benazir Bhutto,
who named one of the main support stadiums of Pakistan as Qazafi
[Gaddafi] Stadium. Gaddafi was not seen the same as Hosni Mubarak, Ben Ali and
others. Now the threat of NATO intervention is also creating some confusion
among the progressive activists.
You do not
oppose imperialism by supporting dictators who massacre their people who are
making a revolution. That can only reinforce imperialism. The fundamental task
of the revolutionary movement on an international level is to defend these
revolutions and to oppose imperialism by supporting these revolutions, not the
dictators.
We are on
the side of the Libyan people and the Arab revolutions that are in progress. We
must express our unconditional solidarity, for the civil, democratic and social
rights which are emerging in this revolution. One of the priorities consists of
supporting all aid to the Libyan people -- medical aid coming from Egypt or
Tunisia, the food aid which is needed, demanding the cancellation of all
commercial contracts with Libya and the suspension of all delivery of arms. We
have to prevent the massacre of the Libyan people.
Solidarity
with the Arab revolutions!
Support the
Libyan people!
No
imperialist intervention in Libya!
Hands off
Libya!
Kilde:
http://www.mailermailer.com/x?function=view&c=98661848e-b3b24fa4*807146a-d88a9f9c
D. 16.03.11 kl 13:28 fra Stephanie B - Avaaz.org <avaaz@ avaaz.org>
Stop Qaddafi
Dear friends,
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The Arab League has just formally proposed a
resolution at the UN Security Council to create a no-fly zone over Libya. After weeks of international
deadlock, this is the moment of truth -- and if we don't persuade the UN to act
now, we could see in Libya one of the worst bloodbaths of our new century.
Qaddafi's forces are crushing the rebellion town by town. If they retake the
country, brutal retribution awaits Libyans who challenged the regime. Already,
reports of torture and killing are flowing from retaken areas.
Ordinary Libyans are asking if the world has abandoned them. The Avaaz community is deeply committed to non-violence, but
enforcing a no-fly zone to ground Qaddafi's gunships is one case where
UN-backed military action seems necessary. Polls of our community show 86%
of us support a no-fly zone. Now, as the decisive UN vote nears, it's time
for the biggest outcry we can raise.
We cheered when Libya's people rose up, and we cannot, we must not, ignore
their plea for help now, in their darkest hour. Even if you've sent one before,
click to send a message to the UN Security Council now:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/libya_no_fly_zone_3/?vl
The UN is split, but the ground is shifting rapidly -- with China, Russia, and
Germany arguing against, and the Arab League, the Islamic Conference, the UK,
and France pushing in favor. The US and India are on the fence. This is no
old-style East-West debate, nor, as some fear, an oil-grab conspiracy. The
Libyan provisional council, which France has recognized as Libya's legitimate
government, is desperately calling for the no-fly zone and international
support, but with each passing day, the danger grows that any help will come
too late.
A no-fly zone alone isn't a silver bullet -- it should be matched by
still-stronger targeted sanctions and asset freezes, jamming of Qaddafi's
violence-inciting broadcasts, and more countries extending diplomatic
recognition to Libya's provisional council. Even with all of that, it could
fall short. But those opposing strong action must ask whether, with tens of
thousands of lives in the balance, they're ready to call for inaction.
International law and the UN Security Council have made clear that, when
mass crimes against humanity are committed, the international community has a
responsibility to protect people from these crimes, even if their attacker
is their own government. While we do not yet know the full magnitude of
Qaddafi's crimes, we cannot look away. Click to send an urgent message to the
UN Security Council delegates:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/libya_no_fly_zone_3/?vl
In the best-case scenario, Qaddafi would react to a UN resolution about a
no-fly zone by ending his air attacks. But if he does not, enforcing the no-fly
zone would require strikes on fighters he attempts to use, and possibly air
strikes on Qaddafi's anti-aircraft missile batteries. There is a chance that a
no-fly zone could lead to deeper international military involvement in Libya.
While the world (and Avaaz) objected strongly to
George W. Bush's war in Iraq, and we have advocated for peaceful solutions to
conflicts in numerous places, this is not Iraq. If we don't act soon, Libya
could look more like Darfur, with massive crimes against humanity committed
against whole communities of people. The Qaddafi regime has a long history of
torture, massacring its own people and sponsoring international terrorism, and
the Libyan people are unified against Qaddafi’s troops – even his own tribe and
hometown have distanced themselves from his actions.
The situation in Libya -- and the world's response to it -- is complex, with
many different actors and agendas, and the future of a post-Qaddafi Libya
remains unclear. While this complexity must dictate the care we take in our
actions, for the sake of tens of thousands of Libyan people, it cannot, it must
not, render us inactive. Let's make the best choice we can, and act, now.
With hope,
Stephanie, Ricken, Ben, Alice, Graziela,
Benjamin, Rewan, and the whole Avaaz
team
SOURCES
Qaddafi Forces Resume Air Attacks on Retreating Libyan Rebels:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-15/qaddafi-forces-resume-air-attacks-on-retreating-libyan-rebels.html
UN battle over Libya no-fly zone:
http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/un-battle-over-libya-no-fly-zone-2011-03-16-1.368854
Libya: Ajdabiya hit by fresh airstrikes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8383137/Libya-Ajdabiya-hit-by-fresh-airstrikes.html
Libya 'point of decision' nears as Cameron aims to secure UN resolution:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/14/cameron-gaddafi-france-lebanon-libya
Clinton Meets in Paris With Libyan Rebel Leader:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/africa/15clinton.html
Gaddafi offers $400,00 bounty for Libyan opposition leader:
http://en.rian.ru/world/20110309/162928578.html
Libyan rebels recapture Brega:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/2011313211520579451.html
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D 16.03.11 kl 17,00 I Radioavisen foreslår Frank Aaen , Enhedslisten at vi forærer oprørerne I Libyen stingermissiler så de selv kan gore modstand mod Gadaffisluftbombardementer (som USA i Afghanistan gav Muhadjedin-oprørerne mod den sovjettiske besættelse i sin tid fra 1978-79
D. 16.03.11 kl 09:14 fra Søren Kühl <Soren.Kuhl@ ft.dk>
SF: Hvad gør
regeringen for demokratiet i Bahrain?
-Tænk at kongen indfører undtagelsestilstand, fordi folket ytrer sin mening. Situationen i Bahrain er uholdbart for de demokratiske kræfter i det lille kongedømme, siger menneskerettighedsordfører Kamal Qureshi
Bahrain er blandt de lande, som dronningen valgte at besøge og hædre kongen med en dansk orden i starten af året. Selv om Udenrigsministeren påstår andet, så er det Lene Espersens ministerium, der har misformeret dronningen om situationen i Bahrain og det har ministeriet erkendt i svar til Kamal Qureshi.
-Vi ser en grov nedkæmpning af de demokratiske kræfter i Bahrain, mens udenrigsministeriet holder sig tilbage. Det er simpelthen ikke nok når udenrigsministeriet eneste reaktion er, at fraråde danske statsborger at rejse til Bahrain.
-SF vil støtte demokratiske kræfter i alle lande, også i Bahrain. Men hvad vil regeringen?
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Med venlig hilsen |
Tidligere er rundsendt
nedenstående indlæg fra SF men her igen da væsentligt
at gentage pga afsnittet
” - På kort
sigt skal Danmark hjælpe i nærområdet til at håndtere
flygtningestrømmene fra Libyen og en
mulig humanitær katastrofe”
hvor jeg læser at SF nu vedkender sig medansvaret for at både Danmark
og EU nu gør en seriøs indsats for humanitære løsninger for Mellemøstens (og
verdens) flygtninge, til forskel fra den hidtidige afvisningspolitik, Arne Hansen.
D. 16.03.11 kl 09:17 Fra Allan Wessel Andersen <Allan.Wessel.Andersen@ft.dk>
PRESSEMEDDELELSE:
Regeringen står skoleret om Libyen
Hvordan kan Danmark understøtte de demokratiske oppositionskræfter i Libyen? Det
er et af spørgsmålene, som den danske udenrigs- og den danske udviklingsminister
skal svare på i et samråd med Folketingets udenrigsudvalg.
- På kort sigt skal Danmark hjælpe i nærområdet til at håndtere
flygtningestrømmene fra Libyen og en mulig humanitær katastrofe. På lidt længere
sigt er det afgørende, at vores udenrigspolitik går målrettet mod at understøtte
demokratiske kræfter, siger SF's Kamal Qureshi.
Samrådet, der finder sted onsdag formiddag, er indkaldt af SF's
menneskerettigheds- og udviklingsordfører Kamal Qureshi.
Kamal Qureshi kan kontaktes på 33 37 44 10
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Kildetilføjelse: Optagelse d. 10. april 2010 af Thomas Gammeltoft-Hansens foredrag om EU-asylpolitiks juridiske aspekter inkl. ansvarsplacering. Det drejede sig om EU's asylpolitik som nu med lukkede øjne via Berlusconi udliciteres til Libyens Gaddafi, som ikke har underskrevet FNs flygtningekonvention jf http://www.arnehansen.net/dialog/flygtninge/100410HGammeltoft-H-EU-asylpol64.htm
D. 17.03.11 kl 15:15 fra Tom Vilmer Paamand <Tom@ Paamand.dk>
Krig er ikke
løsningen, heller ikke i Libyen.
Støt oprøret i Nordafrika og Mellemøsten med fredelige midler.
D. 17.0311. kl 19,41 fra bashimbe akazine <ashuza04@ gmail.com>
Libyan konflikt kan ikke løses med våben.
, ifølge Zabona flygtet fra Congo i sin tid.
http://www.arnehansen.net/110317Cambonaejintervention.htm